even though they will try to tie ryan i believe and romney together as much much as they can the ryan plan, ryan is su expert explaining it. that's what romney did so well last week. he explained his positions finally, so well when you're presented with facts all the obama campaign is left to do is just throw mud and call him a liar. >> facts. are you kidding? first of all when ryan is disciplined, talks some minute next sales plummet. hear is the point. obama didn't go after romney on facts. what is your tax deductions you're talking about. he didn't say because he won't have any. biden will go after ryan their policy gay and get down to it. this will be like a cage match. biden will beat this guy like an empty drum. ryan is looking more like howdy doody every day. >> if romney was lying, rye romney lying so much why didn't the pet call him out. >> that is the point, andrea and he didn't. >> he couldn't. he couldn't argue facts. >> 9:00 a.m. on the 9th of october. roll this tape back on friday morning. >> we should do that. i just can't wait. >> by the way bob has been so grumpy late